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it is a sad day indeed ... its common sense that gay parents should not have kids ... if gay couples were meant to have babies, then why can't they produce naturally?? because its not natural, thats why ... where else in nature does a male-male relationship or a female-female relationship produce offspring?? and if you want to talk about kids and not babies, then thats wrong too ... kids need both a male and a female influence ... thats the way it is meant to be!

Dear DodgyBob...
It's that kind of close-minded mentality that causes the gay community in the world so much grief. Gay people pay their taxes, just like you, breath air, just like you, eat and sleep, just like you. Why can't they be parents? Sure there are members of the gay community that ruin it for everyone, but the heterosexual community is exactly the same.
Do you have children?? Do you know how much joy they can bring?? Clearly not. Do you even know anyone that's gay? I severly doubt that, given that you seem to be so clearly against them. Get off your soap box and accept that it's a big world out there.
Mwah! x

@ Bradley,
yes, yes i do have children ... yes, yes i do know how much joy they can bring ... yes, yes i do know gay people.

why can't they be parents - i thought i already pointed that out? because its not natural. its not right (thank you for side stepping my point and getting on your soap box!).

for a child to start out with the best possible chance in life, they need both a mother AND father figure; and not some pseudo mother/father figure at that.

By your logic DodgyBob, we'd relocate children of single parents to families with both a mother and father. But that's nonsense, right?

I also think you'll find that lesbians can conceive just as naturally as heterosexual women can.

Far better to focus on whether children will be raised in a family where they will be loved, but I suspect that like most people with your views your concern for others only extends as far as making sure they follow the same beliefs as you.

If I had two dads the sinks would get too clogged up, if you know what I mean.

I don't want same-sex couples to have children unless one of them dresses like a man and the other like a woman. The child needs to grow up in a normal environment.

I don't want same sex (couples) people to have the important and sacred task of bringing up children either. I can't even bring myself to call them 'couples' because they're not. It's wrong, morally and spiritually. I am so glad that I'm older already, but I grieve for what we're leaving behind as a future for the children, MY children. Everything evil and degrading is now okay; bring on the next Great Flood - it's the only way we'll stop this evil eating away into what was meant to be a beautiful world.
It isn't normal, it isn't right.

Please....lets take "God" (which ever you you worship) out of this equation.... take the unrealistic nuclear family concept away and all the melodrama of it has to be a man and a woman raising a child.

A single mum can be a good parent and succesfully raise a child as can a single man. Why cannot two women (or two men) do an even better job than one.

I know many succesful families (2 men and childrenand 2 women and children) that set standards any other parenting couple would aspire for.

Raising children is about setting standards that optimise the succesful nurturance of a child into adulthood, that empowers them to grow into well adjusted adults, that gives them the skills to make good and appropriate choices,that teaches them to accept and embrace all people regardless, that loves and nurtures them and most of all accepts them unconditionally.

If you think that a gay man/woman or couple cannot do that implies you think less of them and you show the values that you want to pass on to your family and that make me feel sorry for where our society is going.

No I am not a parent but a teacher of 30 some years...... and I can tell what good parenting looks like. I see the results in the classrooms, playgrounds and streets. If good parenting was alive and well in our communities, why are there so many programes like PPP trying to teach parents how to be parents. I look at the older adolescents walking the streets with one and two children and I wonder would they have made the choice to be parent and start a family at 18 or 19 if they knew there were options??? They are still children themselves.

Take the word "gay" out of the equation....this is about children being raised in a nuturing, safe and loving environment by a range of loving supportive people.

Ippyfella

Isn't it about time we left bronze age myths in the bronze age? It's this kind of senseless hatred and bigotry that causes misery and war.

Congratulations to John-Paul Langbroek and his party for standing againt this move by Anna Bligh and the Labor Government. I believe that God created us as man and woman for a reason and children need both a mum and dad (we all know there are sad circumstances where a child/children have to be brought up by one parent) but to legalise gay or lesbian 'couples' to begally have a child through surrogacy os beyond me. Who is going to be 'mum'/'dad' or is there two mums and two dads? This boggles my mind. God help us as a state and a nation is all I can say.

This could only ever happen in Ipswich, seriously. Why is this even a problem? Most people who have a brain know you should only go to Ipswich if you're looking for drugs or to get stabbed in the ribcage with a screwdriver stolen from Super Cheap Auto by some junkie off his head on amphetamine.

Kids who are raised in Ipswich grow up warped anyway, is allowing legal gay marriage really only going to make these kids even more messed up? I don't think so.

You can take the kid out of Ipswich, but you can't take the Ipswich out of the kid so-to-speak.

Maybe this is merely a tactic to get more people to come to Ipswich? Because I know for a fact unless you're a junkie, you'll have more sense than to visit Ipswich.

Dodgy Bob...

Maybe you should talk to your 'friends' that are gay then, and see where they stand on your view? Let me know how you go with that.

Why exactly is it not right?? You still haven't accurately answered that. You seem to be holding on to an old way of thinking.

Good on you Emdeejay for pointing out the Lesbian couples can conceive just as well as heterosexual couples can. I know of a gay couple (men) that are raising a child, and I have never seen such devotion and care for a child. There's a lot of people that grew up with both a mother and father and they weren't cared for anywhere near as well as they should be, so that shoots your point down in flames DodgyBob.

As for rbutcher and therese005us... what exactly is normal????? Please, do tell. Last time I checked out there the definition of family was wide and varied. You may want to read a bit, perhaps even meet some gay members of your own community, just to see that they are fairly 'normal'.. just as you think you are.

To Pauline2742

It is interesting that you praise John-Paul Langbrook, he has explicitly stated that he thinks that there should be two sets of standards and legislation: and I quote from yesterdays "Australian" Newspaper
"LNP leader John-Paul Langbroek called on Ms Bligh to decouple legalisation of altruistic surrogacy from extending access to gay and lesbian couples. " this just goes to show his dupilicitous approach to making legislation and further marginalising and factionalising our community.
I believe in one Australia and it is made up of alot of interesting people, not factions that deserve this and others that don't.
If a law is made, it is made for all.....not just a few chosen ones.
How do you feel about that Pauline....united or divided?
It is one law and one law for all!

@emdeejay
ahh no!

i understand that there are issues/circumstances that cause a family unit (that is, a mum and a dad and children family unit) to breakdown. so why would i want to break it down further by stripping the child away from its remaining parent?? you're argument does not make sense!?!?

and no, a true lesbian couple cannot *quote* ...conceive just as naturally as heterosexual women can. *end quote* did you not see my original point?? obviously no. i so wonder why everyone keeps missing it?? i wonder if its because we don't dare tell people they are wrong anymore? i wonder if its because we should all be allowed to do whatever on earth we feel like and that that should be ok with everyone? i wonder... i wonder...

and actually, my concern for others comes from my beliefs ... much like yourself i would well imagine. i would think you would step-up-and-be-counted for some [*insert any injustice here*] if you could, even though whoever was commiting the [*insert any injustice here*] thinks its right! well, i think gay parenting is an injustice and just because i have beliefs that differ to you does not mean that i am supposed to or have to remain silent and do nothing.

@Ippyfella
well, if you're going to leave God out of it, going to leave the "Nuclear Family" concept out of it, leave "gay" out of it, then please, leave love out of it also *rolls eyes* why don't you just keep stripping away all that is right and pure and proper until you're simply left with what works for you and makes you happy?? yes, i'm sure thats worked well for everyone hasn't it!

the world has no absolutes anymore; everyone needs to be politically correct, everyone needs to compromise. well guess what, there are things that are just plain wrong and there are things that are just plain right ... and gay parenting is just plain wrong.

i understand there are single parents out there and that yes, some of them do good jobs, but divorce or "falling-out-of-love" is not the topic of discussion here. lets stay on task shall we...

so again, please answer this: if gay parenting is right, then why do we not ever, ever, ever see it in nature? why do we not ever, ever, ever read about it successfully furthering a race / religion / species / anything? why? because its wrong and it doesn't work.

if you're going to strip all of those things away from the issue then heres an idea, why don't you do that and then simply have robots programmed to be nurturing, safe and loving to raise the children?? that way, no-one has to worry about "gay" being involved, or God being invloved, or concepts or anything!

"Daddy, why don't I have a mummy like all of the other kids do, am I not normal?"

"Sorry little Michael, you lose. Your daddy loves dudes, and there is nothing you can do about it except grow up being raised by two dudes most likely warping you and making it hard for you to sustain a healthy long-term relationship with a woman when you're older."

Besides, do you really want your own child walking in seeing you "dude on dude" or "chick on chick"? I don't think so. It would disrupt the space time continuum as we all know it forever changing the future permanently.

Remember what Doctor Emmett said people,

"The way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style? Not two dudes. "

Oh, won't someone please think of the children!

@emdeejay...
Bronze Age myth?? if the actuality of the Nuclear Family idea is a myth and more than that, from the bronze age, then please explain why 1. it has been around even longer than that, and 2. why it still works and is carried on today? as far as i see it, it is no myth!

@DigitalSea...
i think you posted your opinion to the wrong news story!! however, if not, then please explain how this issue is supposedly only related to Ipswich when a quick google/wikipedia search shows a world divided on this issue ... an issue that i quite proudly stand on the side of against!

@Bradley...
perhaps i will talk with the family member (not just friend) who is gay about this particular subject, seeing as it has not come up before! but needless to say, this will not all of a sudden change my viewpoint; gay parenting is still wrong.

whether its an old way of thinking or not, what does that matter? who said i have to change my beliefs to fit in with you or with the political correctness of this-day-and-age? and if i haven't stated why I believe its wrong, then please let me disspell that: gay parenting is wrong because it destroys the family unit, it further breaks down what a wholesome society should be, it fosters/encourages homosexuality, it is offensive...

and Bradley, before you go praising emdeejay, you best actually read what emdeejay typed. if what emdeejay typed is true, then virgin births and mircales must be on the rise!

and likewise, as you believe my point is shot down in flames, so too is yours. just because you see one good gay couple raising a child does not mean that all gay couples raise children that well! it goes both ways. but my point is to do with the sanctity of the family unit and the well being of the child.

now please, Bradley, would you return the favour by answering my question which has gone unanswered from the beginning: if gay parenting is right, then why do we not ever, ever, ever see it in nature? why do we not ever, ever, ever read about it successfully furthering a race / religion / species / anything? why? because its wrong and it doesn't work.

All I know is that if I had two dads we'd have too many pairs of pants in the house and it'd take me longer to find my pants. I have enough trouble getting ready in the morning without more pants floating around getting in the way!!!

@DodgyBob

Firstly, homosexual behaviour occurs frequently in nature. Pairs of male Chinstrap Penguins have been found (successfully) raising eggs and young. Bonobo's (the closest living relatives of humans after chimpanzees) have a matriachal society which is almost exclusively bisexual, with the behaviour being observed more frequently among the girls than the boys.

Also, you're correct that my point made no sense. I was drawing it as a parallel to your position to illustrate the falsity. Another way to do that would be to say we should ban IVF treatment as it's not 'natural'. Do you support that initiative?

The bronze age myth remark was directed at the person who wished for the next great flood. It has been proven (thankfully) that there was no first great flood, and thus no biblical warrant for bigotry against homosexuals.

Finally I would like to point out that the difference between my 'beliefs' and yours on this matter is principally this: I am not in any way trying to stop you from living your life according to the principles you hold dear. I merely ask that you allow other people the same courtesy

DodgyBob
I have attached a few URL references to answer your questions about same sex animals raising young in nature:
http://www.physorg.com/news164376975....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06...

http://www.globalpolitician.com/2695-sex
(this reference carries some interesting suggestions and implications to support inclusivity)

I have only done some cursory studies on Darwinian theory, but he makes it clear that the survival of any species is not the numbers they stand but in their ability to adapt and change. Humans have that capacity.

The one thing I am immovable upon is that all people are capable of loving, nurturing and caring. All people.

I am also opposed to people like John-Paul Langtree (and the other right wing politicians that have one frame of mind) being duplicitous with his/their standards in legislation furthering the furry that a 'homosexual' should not be a parent or have those rights. The law applies equally to all.

Thank you emdeejay for your closing comment.

respectfully Ippyfella

Well said Emdeejay!

As for DodgyBob- nice name BTW.... keep reading your only bit of hope-- the bible, because I'm sure that's where you get all of your guidance and views from.
What exactly is wrong with gay parenting???? Is it wrong because you clearly have issues with homosexuals?

As for your commment about the gay couple I know... can you tell me any child that was brought up in a straight family unit that doesn't have issues. Works both ways buddy.

Stay in silkstone. We don't need you out here in the real world.

@emdeejay...
firstly, i believe that my original point has been misconstrued: my question was, where in nature does a male-male or female-female couple produce offspring?? it doesn't. it always, always needs to be a male-female couple to reproduce (a-sexual side of things to the side!). and i would say the best way to rear a baby/child/youth would be through the same setting. so, that being established and given the plethora of research and reports that state that its best for there to be a female mother figure and male father figure in a child's life, especially so during the formative years, why do we feel the need to lower ourselves to that of some plain-old animals, go against thousands of years of history and further corrupt ourselves (mentally, physically, emotionally)?? and whats the deal with this monkeys-are-my-relatives thing!?!? are you serious??

actually, i really don't know much about IVF or have much of a solid viewpoint on it. but from what little bits i have picked up and have heard, i would be inclined to make a move into the "against" camp. you're supposed parallel however, just didn't make sense regardless! if you were meaning IVF then thats what you should have said from the get go. single parents are not part of this issue - full stop - thats an entirely other topic for another time. what the issue is, is giving a baby/child/youth to a lesbian/homosexual pair and saying "here you go, bring this child up normally would you?" because from our stand, gay is not natural, gay is not right. that is the issue, so lets stick to it please?

with regards to "the next great flood" comment, perhaps therese005us needs to explain better and perhaps you need not take therese005us so literally, because anyone who has read the Bible or been to Sunday School will know that God promised not to flood the earth, by water, again. but you're comment about there being "proof" for no flood at all, perhaps you should go back and research again, but this time in an unbiased light? because just as there is as much "proof" against the flood/Bible/Christians, so to is there just as much proof for the flood/Bible/Christians.

finally, yes you are trying to stop me from living my life according to the principles i hold dear. thats the whole point of this debate/issue. if this all goes through and becomes prolific, then how do you think this will effect me and my family as well as other families who hold this point of view, let alone the effects this will have on society down the track? basically, you're telling me that i should remain quiet about this and do nothing - thats a great attitude! if thats what i'm supposed to do, then why have beliefs? why have morals? why make a stand for anything? oh hang on, thats right, its ok to believe, to have morals, to make a stand so long as they all align with yours!!